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	<title>Comments on: Colonialism and the Archaeological Wild Man: Canadian anthropologists react to Indiana Jones</title>
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		<title>By: Maximilian Forte</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maximilian Forte]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 20:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[PS: I am trying to piece together an anti-colonial anthropology here on this blog, so any thoughts are much appreciated.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS: I am trying to piece together an anti-colonial anthropology here on this blog, so any thoughts are much appreciated.</p>
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		<title>By: Maximilian Forte</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maximilian Forte]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 20:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks very much Brian, you have raised some excellent points that I didn&#039;t, so I hope readers will make sure to read your comments for a better appreciation of the issues that are at stake. I can&#039;t disagree with you -- I think my own comments are coloured by experiences with groups lacking in sovereignty and whose own knowledge is currently being pieced back together as part of a restoration effort, as they themselves call it. In such instances, anthropologists and historians have been called upon to furnish such groups with knowledge about themselves -- a real hunger for that knowledge too I might add. This is why I was speaking of indigenous knowledges having been diffused, since they have moved out and beyond particular bodies, persons, communities. However, this does not take away from what you are highlighting above, and certainly when it comes to the Canadian situation, I would prefer to defer to my Canadian colleagues who know better. In that vein, thanks very much for taking the time to post the comments above.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks very much Brian, you have raised some excellent points that I didn&#8217;t, so I hope readers will make sure to read your comments for a better appreciation of the issues that are at stake. I can&#8217;t disagree with you &#8212; I think my own comments are coloured by experiences with groups lacking in sovereignty and whose own knowledge is currently being pieced back together as part of a restoration effort, as they themselves call it. In such instances, anthropologists and historians have been called upon to furnish such groups with knowledge about themselves &#8212; a real hunger for that knowledge too I might add. This is why I was speaking of indigenous knowledges having been diffused, since they have moved out and beyond particular bodies, persons, communities. However, this does not take away from what you are highlighting above, and certainly when it comes to the Canadian situation, I would prefer to defer to my Canadian colleagues who know better. In that vein, thanks very much for taking the time to post the comments above.</p>
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		<title>By: brian noble</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 18:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hayden&#039;s book is When Nature Goes Public:  The Making and Unmaking of Bioprospecting in Mexico]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hayden&#8217;s book is When Nature Goes Public:  The Making and Unmaking of Bioprospecting in Mexico</p>
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		<title>By: brian noble</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[brian noble]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 18:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Max, good to hear your follow on from this media story.  It was interesting to see the extracted utterances taken from me in the article.... the question of public domain issues was put to me by the journalist, and the quoted bit was what he and his editors hung on to (it was also the journalists who invoked the Lucas/Spielberg film)   It&#039;s pretty clear to me and many that the public domain per se is also a product of modernist histories, and certainly an easy mark for capitalist exploitation, while reserving something which the state can claim to &#039;protect&#039;.  It is all very, very problematic.  Have a look at Cori Hayden&#039;s fine case analyses in .    She does a fine job at showing how the construction of nature as public domain (and delineation of so-called private domains, private property) has long served and been turned to commodity exploitation.

While I don&#039;t have time to get into this at the moement, I do worry about pronouncements about whether  local knowledges are intact enough or not, or whether the anthropological record has &quot;more&quot;.  There is a very different anti-colonial political argument to be made, that we ought to be attending to the simple fact that indigenous peoples, especially those in Canada who have been subject to the rather weak terra nullius premises of state sovereignty assertion, have a better claim to control of their knowledges (where ever they have ended up) as they are, in themselves, political societies already, that is they already have jurisdiction.  The colonialism is in the fact that Canada and many states world wide are in denial on this point.   Michael Asch, among others, has had much to say on this matter.  

In this context, collaboration (or research alliances) are pragmatic actions in the current moment.  Where things go from here will be interesting, to say the least.  My hope is that anthropology will find its best impulses, developing approaches which are, in real pragmatic terms, anti-colonial.   We have to start from where we are.  There are good signs coming from folks like George Nicholas.  Know that the Calgary Herald article barely scratches the surface on these points, but helpfully may be winning some public attention to the matter, whatever populist tropes journalism trades in.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max, good to hear your follow on from this media story.  It was interesting to see the extracted utterances taken from me in the article&#8230;. the question of public domain issues was put to me by the journalist, and the quoted bit was what he and his editors hung on to (it was also the journalists who invoked the Lucas/Spielberg film)   It&#8217;s pretty clear to me and many that the public domain per se is also a product of modernist histories, and certainly an easy mark for capitalist exploitation, while reserving something which the state can claim to &#8216;protect&#8217;.  It is all very, very problematic.  Have a look at Cori Hayden&#8217;s fine case analyses in .    She does a fine job at showing how the construction of nature as public domain (and delineation of so-called private domains, private property) has long served and been turned to commodity exploitation.</p>
<p>While I don&#8217;t have time to get into this at the moement, I do worry about pronouncements about whether  local knowledges are intact enough or not, or whether the anthropological record has &#8220;more&#8221;.  There is a very different anti-colonial political argument to be made, that we ought to be attending to the simple fact that indigenous peoples, especially those in Canada who have been subject to the rather weak terra nullius premises of state sovereignty assertion, have a better claim to control of their knowledges (where ever they have ended up) as they are, in themselves, political societies already, that is they already have jurisdiction.  The colonialism is in the fact that Canada and many states world wide are in denial on this point.   Michael Asch, among others, has had much to say on this matter.  </p>
<p>In this context, collaboration (or research alliances) are pragmatic actions in the current moment.  Where things go from here will be interesting, to say the least.  My hope is that anthropology will find its best impulses, developing approaches which are, in real pragmatic terms, anti-colonial.   We have to start from where we are.  There are good signs coming from folks like George Nicholas.  Know that the Calgary Herald article barely scratches the surface on these points, but helpfully may be winning some public attention to the matter, whatever populist tropes journalism trades in.</p>
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