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	<title>Comments on: 0.189: Stanley Diamond &amp; Claude Lévi-Strauss on the Nature and Future of Anthropology</title>
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		<title>By: Maximilian Forte</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maximilian Forte]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 22:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent questions. I tend to think that when I read something by a senior intellect, that I do not understand or find confusing, that it must be my fault (and surely that must be true at least some of the time). However, in this instance, you seem to be finding the same statements to be confusing, except that I muted what I thought was confusing. It&#039;s not clear at all where he finds anthropology will continue to have a place, unless he really means that some onslaught of computerization and mechanization will make disappearing natives of us all. Alright, if so...but then why would this not deserve to be called &quot;anthropology&quot;?

So my quotations tend to magnify what I found most useful from this article, but the selectivity is clearly an issue. On the other hand, and I forget who said this, if reading is always partial, like grazing, we all make use of the bits and pieces that stimulate us most, even if we lose sight of the whole...the confusing whole in this instance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent questions. I tend to think that when I read something by a senior intellect, that I do not understand or find confusing, that it must be my fault (and surely that must be true at least some of the time). However, in this instance, you seem to be finding the same statements to be confusing, except that I muted what I thought was confusing. It&#8217;s not clear at all where he finds anthropology will continue to have a place, unless he really means that some onslaught of computerization and mechanization will make disappearing natives of us all. Alright, if so&#8230;but then why would this not deserve to be called &#8220;anthropology&#8221;?</p>
<p>So my quotations tend to magnify what I found most useful from this article, but the selectivity is clearly an issue. On the other hand, and I forget who said this, if reading is always partial, like grazing, we all make use of the bits and pieces that stimulate us most, even if we lose sight of the whole&#8230;the confusing whole in this instance.</p>
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		<title>By: frenchguy-strugglingwithametaphor</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 18:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think you are right Max, « the same kind of approach » refers to « look at man from the very point where, at each period of history , it was considered that anything man-like had ceased to exist ». 
But, if I accept  his predictions about « the disappearance » of other civilizations, or native cultures, I still have some difficulty with his metaphor.  In Lévi-Strauss&#039; words : 

&lt;blockquote&gt;« within a century or so, when the last native culture will have disappeared … it [the point where it is considered that anything man-like have ceased to exist] will have become so remote ... ». &lt;/blockquote&gt;

But, if the last native cultures disappear (around 2066), and if these native cultures harbored (if I understand correctly) « the point where it was considered that anything man-like had ceased to exist », will that point exist anymore ? If  every member of humankind is considered as human - because they are (/considered to be) just like westerners, or civilized people - , is there still any such a point anymore ? 

Further, I don&#039;t really understand why he wrote that the electronic computer will then be our only interlocutor. Or do I ? Was he in fact thinking about some kind of refined artificial intelligence which will allow for some human-like discussions ? Is it that kind of AI which will then constitute the « point where it is considered that anything man-like have ceased to exist » ? Is that why, in this case, the approach might not deserve to be called « anthropology » anymore ? 
If Professor Levi-Strauss, by any chance, stumble upon this blog&#039;s post, we might hope he will enlighten us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you are right Max, « the same kind of approach » refers to « look at man from the very point where, at each period of history , it was considered that anything man-like had ceased to exist ».<br />
But, if I accept  his predictions about « the disappearance » of other civilizations, or native cultures, I still have some difficulty with his metaphor.  In Lévi-Strauss&#8217; words : </p>
<blockquote><p>« within a century or so, when the last native culture will have disappeared … it [the point where it is considered that anything man-like have ceased to exist] will have become so remote &#8230; ». </p></blockquote>
<p>But, if the last native cultures disappear (around 2066), and if these native cultures harbored (if I understand correctly) « the point where it was considered that anything man-like had ceased to exist », will that point exist anymore ? If  every member of humankind is considered as human &#8211; because they are (/considered to be) just like westerners, or civilized people &#8211; , is there still any such a point anymore ? </p>
<p>Further, I don&#8217;t really understand why he wrote that the electronic computer will then be our only interlocutor. Or do I ? Was he in fact thinking about some kind of refined artificial intelligence which will allow for some human-like discussions ? Is it that kind of AI which will then constitute the « point where it is considered that anything man-like have ceased to exist » ? Is that why, in this case, the approach might not deserve to be called « anthropology » anymore ?<br />
If Professor Levi-Strauss, by any chance, stumble upon this blog&#8217;s post, we might hope he will enlighten us.</p>
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		<title>By: Maximilian Forte</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 03:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello, good to see you again!

The words that precede that quote are as follows: &quot;anthropology&#039;s traditional problems are assuming new forms while none of them can be said to be exhausted. The distinctive feature of anthropology among the human sciences is to look at man from the very point where, at each period of history, it was considered that anything man-like had ceased to exist. During antiquity and the Middle Ages, this point was too close to permit observation, since each culture or society was inclined to locate it on its neighbour&#039;s doorstep.&quot;

I am hoping that by &quot;the same kind of approach&quot; refers to a humanisitic approach to finding &quot;man&quot; where &quot;it was considered that anything man-like had ceased to exist&quot;...because if it does not refer to that the preceding paragraphs on physical anthropology, crop yields, and science versus the humanities, sheds little light on his meaning.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, good to see you again!</p>
<p>The words that precede that quote are as follows: &#8220;anthropology&#8217;s traditional problems are assuming new forms while none of them can be said to be exhausted. The distinctive feature of anthropology among the human sciences is to look at man from the very point where, at each period of history, it was considered that anything man-like had ceased to exist. During antiquity and the Middle Ages, this point was too close to permit observation, since each culture or society was inclined to locate it on its neighbour&#8217;s doorstep.&#8221;</p>
<p>I am hoping that by &#8220;the same kind of approach&#8221; refers to a humanisitic approach to finding &#8220;man&#8221; where &#8220;it was considered that anything man-like had ceased to exist&#8221;&#8230;because if it does not refer to that the preceding paragraphs on physical anthropology, crop yields, and science versus the humanities, sheds little light on his meaning.</p>
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		<title>By: frenchguy-wondering</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 01:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Max, in your opinion, what is Levi-strauss precisely refering to when he writes &quot;the same kind of approach&quot; (in the last quote) ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max, in your opinion, what is Levi-strauss precisely refering to when he writes &#8220;the same kind of approach&#8221; (in the last quote) ?</p>
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