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	<title>Comments on: 0.179: Imperialism, Americanization, and the Social Sciences</title>
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	<description>Turning and turning in the widening gyre &#124; The falcon cannot hear the falconer &#124; Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold &#124; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world &#124; The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere &#124; The ceremony of innocence is drowned &#124; The best lack all conviction, while the worst &#124; Are full of passionate intensity. -- W.B. Yeats, The Second Coming</description>
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		<title>By: 0.178: The Social Production of Science and Anthropology as Knowledge for Domination &#171; ZERO ANTHROPOLOGY</title>
		<link>http://zeroanthropology.net/2009/11/22/0-179-imperialism-americanization-and-the-social-sciences/#comment-8516</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[0.178: The Social Production of Science and Anthropology as Knowledge for Domination &#171; ZERO ANTHROPOLOGY]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 09:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] with the opening quote on the “cultural imperialism” of universalism in the last post, Pierre Bourdieu had a similar line of argument on the topic of scientific reason, reminding us [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] with the opening quote on the “cultural imperialism” of universalism in the last post, Pierre Bourdieu had a similar line of argument on the topic of scientific reason, reminding us [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Stacie</title>
		<link>http://zeroanthropology.net/2009/11/22/0-179-imperialism-americanization-and-the-social-sciences/#comment-8440</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stacie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 03:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Glad to know we&#039;re valued! ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad to know we&#8217;re valued! ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Maximilian Forte</title>
		<link>http://zeroanthropology.net/2009/11/22/0-179-imperialism-americanization-and-the-social-sciences/#comment-8438</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maximilian Forte]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 02:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, good points, I will keep thinking about this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, good points, I will keep thinking about this.</p>
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		<title>By: Maximilian Forte</title>
		<link>http://zeroanthropology.net/2009/11/22/0-179-imperialism-americanization-and-the-social-sciences/#comment-8437</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maximilian Forte]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 02:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;if U.S. anthropologists don’t have any interest in going to meetings in Canada, why would you want them to come?&quot;

...because they are such hard drinkers, and their politically incorrect jokes, amplified by laughter that is way too loud inside a small bistro, is welcome relief from polite sobriety?

Just kidding, come on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;if U.S. anthropologists don’t have any interest in going to meetings in Canada, why would you want them to come?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;because they are such hard drinkers, and their politically incorrect jokes, amplified by laughter that is way too loud inside a small bistro, is welcome relief from polite sobriety?</p>
<p>Just kidding, come on.</p>
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		<title>By: Stacie</title>
		<link>http://zeroanthropology.net/2009/11/22/0-179-imperialism-americanization-and-the-social-sciences/#comment-8435</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stacie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 02:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What I&#039;m wondering is why people in other places would be so interested in being accepted within American theory and publication circles. On the flip side, if U.S. anthropologists don&#039;t have any interest in going to meetings in Canada, why would you want them to come? 

Maybe it&#039;s, specifically, a manufactured fetish for American theory, and for acceptance within American anthropology circles, with all the publishing and funding opportunities that go along with that? At least that&#039;s what this quote from above seems to suggest: 

&quot;passeurs . . . in the country itself or in target countries, propound and propagate, often in good faith, American cultural products, and all the American cultural authorities which, without being explicitly concerted, accompany, orchestrate and sometimes even organize the process of collective conversion to the new symbolic Mecca.&quot;

I just came across, on Netflix, a film on 18th century American history like those shown in middle and high school classrooms in the U.S. Here&#039;s one section that sounds like a walking advertisement for higher education: 

&quot;By the middle of the 18th Century, colonists endorsed the idea that education should not be kept from ordinary citizens as it had been in Europe, but should be available to all. Many of America&#039;s revolutionary leaders could claim attendance in the higher institutions such as Yale, Harvard, and William and Mary, which were created in the early colonial period. Today, America&#039;s universities and colleges are the cornerstone of the nation&#039;s independent free mind and a source of innovation and a prepared workforce.&quot; (source: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ambrosevideo.com/items.cfm?id=1071&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;18th Century Turning Points in U.S. History&lt;/a&gt;)

It declares everyone&#039;s right to formal, institutionalized education, as if you&#039;re being slighted if you don&#039;t get it - a lesser citizen - and then suggests that to be free, a leader, independent, and job-ready, you have to attend one of the U.S. colleges or universities. For future employers, it starts putting in place the idea that you&#039;d do best to hire one of these people over any other. Even crazier, the videos are allowed to throw out the &quot;facts&quot; at kids without any supporting evidence, as if anything else would confuse their young minds. I think that&#039;s one way American intellectualism is fetishized, one way the market is being created, at least within the U.S.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I&#8217;m wondering is why people in other places would be so interested in being accepted within American theory and publication circles. On the flip side, if U.S. anthropologists don&#8217;t have any interest in going to meetings in Canada, why would you want them to come? </p>
<p>Maybe it&#8217;s, specifically, a manufactured fetish for American theory, and for acceptance within American anthropology circles, with all the publishing and funding opportunities that go along with that? At least that&#8217;s what this quote from above seems to suggest: </p>
<p>&#8220;passeurs . . . in the country itself or in target countries, propound and propagate, often in good faith, American cultural products, and all the American cultural authorities which, without being explicitly concerted, accompany, orchestrate and sometimes even organize the process of collective conversion to the new symbolic Mecca.&#8221;</p>
<p>I just came across, on Netflix, a film on 18th century American history like those shown in middle and high school classrooms in the U.S. Here&#8217;s one section that sounds like a walking advertisement for higher education: </p>
<p>&#8220;By the middle of the 18th Century, colonists endorsed the idea that education should not be kept from ordinary citizens as it had been in Europe, but should be available to all. Many of America&#8217;s revolutionary leaders could claim attendance in the higher institutions such as Yale, Harvard, and William and Mary, which were created in the early colonial period. Today, America&#8217;s universities and colleges are the cornerstone of the nation&#8217;s independent free mind and a source of innovation and a prepared workforce.&#8221; (source: <a href="http://www.ambrosevideo.com/items.cfm?id=1071" rel="nofollow">18th Century Turning Points in U.S. History</a>)</p>
<p>It declares everyone&#8217;s right to formal, institutionalized education, as if you&#8217;re being slighted if you don&#8217;t get it &#8211; a lesser citizen &#8211; and then suggests that to be free, a leader, independent, and job-ready, you have to attend one of the U.S. colleges or universities. For future employers, it starts putting in place the idea that you&#8217;d do best to hire one of these people over any other. Even crazier, the videos are allowed to throw out the &#8220;facts&#8221; at kids without any supporting evidence, as if anything else would confuse their young minds. I think that&#8217;s one way American intellectualism is fetishized, one way the market is being created, at least within the U.S.</p>
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		<title>By: martin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[martin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 11:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[oh, and of course: to peripheralise others you just need to show, that they are provincial (i.e. use theory crudely, unlike us in centers), positivistic, too politicised (i.e. not theoretical enough) etc. if an academic does it at the beginning of any article while re-using ethnography or insights of others s/he increases value of theoretical contribution (while lowering those of others)

i am not sure if this argumentation works - i am just trying to argue Kacper&#039;s point as i understand it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh, and of course: to peripheralise others you just need to show, that they are provincial (i.e. use theory crudely, unlike us in centers), positivistic, too politicised (i.e. not theoretical enough) etc. if an academic does it at the beginning of any article while re-using ethnography or insights of others s/he increases value of theoretical contribution (while lowering those of others)</p>
<p>i am not sure if this argumentation works &#8211; i am just trying to argue Kacper&#8217;s point as i understand it.</p>
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		<title>By: martin</title>
		<link>http://zeroanthropology.net/2009/11/22/0-179-imperialism-americanization-and-the-social-sciences/#comment-8393</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[martin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 11:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i see your point. the argument combining two views would go something like this: because of political economy of anthropology, where theory is a value which anthropologists evaluate, only those at centers (or with &#039;real financial backing&#039;) will be able to contribute fast enough (speed of anthropological theoretical fads is not unimportant - you have to be discussing the newest theory in order to compete at the market place of ideas and publish in journals). why some from the periphery make it, i dunno.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i see your point. the argument combining two views would go something like this: because of political economy of anthropology, where theory is a value which anthropologists evaluate, only those at centers (or with &#8216;real financial backing&#8217;) will be able to contribute fast enough (speed of anthropological theoretical fads is not unimportant &#8211; you have to be discussing the newest theory in order to compete at the market place of ideas and publish in journals). why some from the periphery make it, i dunno.</p>
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		<title>By: Maximilian Forte</title>
		<link>http://zeroanthropology.net/2009/11/22/0-179-imperialism-americanization-and-the-social-sciences/#comment-8379</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maximilian Forte]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 06:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks John...which was the first HTS book then?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks John&#8230;which was the first HTS book then?</p>
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		<title>By: Maximilian Forte</title>
		<link>http://zeroanthropology.net/2009/11/22/0-179-imperialism-americanization-and-the-social-sciences/#comment-8378</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maximilian Forte]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 06:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting idea Martin...but I&#039;m not sure. Theory can be done anywhere, and has been done, except that it is often ignored if it seem too &quot;peripheral&quot; to what is current and mainstream in world centres of academic production. I can think of a couple of cases, of how the post-colonialist rage centered on a few select authors, mostly in UK and US universities. Those based in India itself, as brilliant as they have been, have been published locally and generally do not circulate along with the Spivaks and Bhabhas. 

Ethnography, especially overseas, requires some real financial backing though. It can&#039;t be done by everyone, everywhere.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting idea Martin&#8230;but I&#8217;m not sure. Theory can be done anywhere, and has been done, except that it is often ignored if it seem too &#8220;peripheral&#8221; to what is current and mainstream in world centres of academic production. I can think of a couple of cases, of how the post-colonialist rage centered on a few select authors, mostly in UK and US universities. Those based in India itself, as brilliant as they have been, have been published locally and generally do not circulate along with the Spivaks and Bhabhas. </p>
<p>Ethnography, especially overseas, requires some real financial backing though. It can&#8217;t be done by everyone, everywhere.</p>
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		<title>By: martin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[martin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 02:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i think,  at least part of the answer lies in fetishisation of theory. there would be no &#039;market-place of ideas&#039; if the &#039;theoretical contribution&#039; was not the most valued asset (or value in itself). 

this combination of marketization/commoditization and theoretisation of anthropology (that go hand in hand of course) somehow led to american dominance (or rather peripheralisation of other ways of &#039;doing anthropology&#039;). how, i am not quite sure. but that is point taken by Kacper Poblocki in Whither Anthropology Without Nation-State (CoA 2009, 29/2) - a view from central and eastern europe...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think,  at least part of the answer lies in fetishisation of theory. there would be no &#8216;market-place of ideas&#8217; if the &#8216;theoretical contribution&#8217; was not the most valued asset (or value in itself). </p>
<p>this combination of marketization/commoditization and theoretisation of anthropology (that go hand in hand of course) somehow led to american dominance (or rather peripheralisation of other ways of &#8216;doing anthropology&#8217;). how, i am not quite sure. but that is point taken by Kacper Poblocki in Whither Anthropology Without Nation-State (CoA 2009, 29/2) &#8211; a view from central and eastern europe&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: John Stanton</title>
		<link>http://zeroanthropology.net/2009/11/22/0-179-imperialism-americanization-and-the-social-sciences/#comment-8335</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Stanton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Second HTS book out of US Naval Academy.

Anthropologists in Arms: The Ethics of Military Anthropology (Critical Issues in Anthropology) (Hardcover) ~ George R. Lucas Jr. (Author)...

Focuses on HTS and ethics. Lucas in US Naval Academy professor of philosophy. 

Perhaps will help in debate.

http://www.usna.edu/OfficerDevelopment/LEL/facultyProfile/lucas.htm]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Second HTS book out of US Naval Academy.</p>
<p>Anthropologists in Arms: The Ethics of Military Anthropology (Critical Issues in Anthropology) (Hardcover) ~ George R. Lucas Jr. (Author)&#8230;</p>
<p>Focuses on HTS and ethics. Lucas in US Naval Academy professor of philosophy. </p>
<p>Perhaps will help in debate.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.usna.edu/OfficerDevelopment/LEL/facultyProfile/lucas.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.usna.edu/OfficerDevelopment/LEL/facultyProfile/lucas.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Vale Dell Hymes roundup and more from the Anthro world&#8230; &#171; Erkan&#39;s Field Diary</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vale Dell Hymes roundup and more from the Anthro world&#8230; &#171; Erkan&#39;s Field Diary]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] 0.179: Imperialism, Americanization, and the Social Sciences from OPEN ANTHROPOLOGY by Maximilian Forte Cultural imperialism rests on the power to universalize particularisms linked to a singular historical tradition by causing them to be misrecognized as such. (Bourdieu &amp; Wacquant, 1999, p. 41) [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 0.179: Imperialism, Americanization, and the Social Sciences from OPEN ANTHROPOLOGY by Maximilian Forte Cultural imperialism rests on the power to universalize particularisms linked to a singular historical tradition by causing them to be misrecognized as such. (Bourdieu &amp; Wacquant, 1999, p. 41) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Stacie</title>
		<link>http://zeroanthropology.net/2009/11/22/0-179-imperialism-americanization-and-the-social-sciences/#comment-8326</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stacie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;do other nations really produce other anthropologies?&quot;

Also, while America might be at the center of academic knowledge production, other countries are engaged in other forms of production even more fundamental to the American way of life. 

Consider the impressive quantity and diversity of consumer items produced in China each year. Clothing, food, oil, etc., and so much of it comes from other places....

Does it need to be balanced? Trade and exchange doesn&#039;t seem wholly wrong. However, one side is primarily working in factories, etc., while the other is working in classrooms focusing on knowledge production. And the latter, in many cases, often don&#039;t produce much of worth at all, or intentionally or unintentionally do work that helps sustain their own position in the world, or produce valuable knowledge (for example medicine) that&#039;s only shared with those who can afford it, or, through scholarships and international programs with select individuals. And as you seemed to suggest, some of these programs also appear to be constructed to with the intent of furthering U.S. strategic ties with specific places.   

Business and marketing efforts on the U.S. strike me as an odd mix, selling others&#039; products but of obviously spending a lot of time negotiating production and prices to their advantage.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;do other nations really produce other anthropologies?&#8221;</p>
<p>Also, while America might be at the center of academic knowledge production, other countries are engaged in other forms of production even more fundamental to the American way of life. </p>
<p>Consider the impressive quantity and diversity of consumer items produced in China each year. Clothing, food, oil, etc., and so much of it comes from other places&#8230;.</p>
<p>Does it need to be balanced? Trade and exchange doesn&#8217;t seem wholly wrong. However, one side is primarily working in factories, etc., while the other is working in classrooms focusing on knowledge production. And the latter, in many cases, often don&#8217;t produce much of worth at all, or intentionally or unintentionally do work that helps sustain their own position in the world, or produce valuable knowledge (for example medicine) that&#8217;s only shared with those who can afford it, or, through scholarships and international programs with select individuals. And as you seemed to suggest, some of these programs also appear to be constructed to with the intent of furthering U.S. strategic ties with specific places.   </p>
<p>Business and marketing efforts on the U.S. strike me as an odd mix, selling others&#8217; products but of obviously spending a lot of time negotiating production and prices to their advantage.</p>
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		<title>By: Stacie</title>
		<link>http://zeroanthropology.net/2009/11/22/0-179-imperialism-americanization-and-the-social-sciences/#comment-8296</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stacie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting. My college in the U.S. also had a dual anthropology-sociology department. I don&#039;t know how common it is at other schools.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting. My college in the U.S. also had a dual anthropology-sociology department. I don&#8217;t know how common it is at other schools.</p>
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		<title>By: Maximilian Forte</title>
		<link>http://zeroanthropology.net/2009/11/22/0-179-imperialism-americanization-and-the-social-sciences/#comment-8295</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maximilian Forte]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 23:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;but it still places academic PhDs at the center&quot;

Absolutely, it could solve nothing apart from fixing the numbers. Very good point that you raise here, especially since the question is what kind of &quot;non-hegemonic anthropology&quot; is promised in return/in response/instead of the American-dominated one? The discussion as presented by Bourdieu and Wacquant tends not to raise those questions, but instead implies (perhaps) that other nations produce other anthropologies -- to use anthropology as an example, which they don&#039;t. One question then is: do other nations really produce other anthropologies? If not, if instead we see multiple local variations on a global theme, then &quot;American dominance&quot; might well continue without dominant Americans.

The other problematic issue concerns the dividing up of anthropology in parcels that correspond with the identities of nation-states. To some extent, yes, anthropology is a &quot;national&quot; effort, given state support for universities, centralized research funding, academic publishing, etc. On the other hand, I am not sure there is a &quot;Canadian anthropology&quot; as much as &quot;anthropology in Canada.&quot; 

Some of that &quot;anthropology in Canada&quot; is in fact American anthropology -- with four-field departments at McGill and the University of Toronto, for example, a four-field approach that emerged in the U.S. -- and others follow the British model, where anthropology really just means social anthropology. Perhaps the most &quot;Canadian&quot; feature are the many anthropology programs that coexist in dual sociology-anthropology departments, such as mine (in fact the only two universities in which I have worked in Canada had combined departments) -- and the compromises that produces might spur the development of something distinctive. But not yet.

Thanks very much, the comments become a vital counterpart/counterweight to the main post, much appreciated.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;but it still places academic PhDs at the center&#8221;</p>
<p>Absolutely, it could solve nothing apart from fixing the numbers. Very good point that you raise here, especially since the question is what kind of &#8220;non-hegemonic anthropology&#8221; is promised in return/in response/instead of the American-dominated one? The discussion as presented by Bourdieu and Wacquant tends not to raise those questions, but instead implies (perhaps) that other nations produce other anthropologies &#8212; to use anthropology as an example, which they don&#8217;t. One question then is: do other nations really produce other anthropologies? If not, if instead we see multiple local variations on a global theme, then &#8220;American dominance&#8221; might well continue without dominant Americans.</p>
<p>The other problematic issue concerns the dividing up of anthropology in parcels that correspond with the identities of nation-states. To some extent, yes, anthropology is a &#8220;national&#8221; effort, given state support for universities, centralized research funding, academic publishing, etc. On the other hand, I am not sure there is a &#8220;Canadian anthropology&#8221; as much as &#8220;anthropology in Canada.&#8221; </p>
<p>Some of that &#8220;anthropology in Canada&#8221; is in fact American anthropology &#8212; with four-field departments at McGill and the University of Toronto, for example, a four-field approach that emerged in the U.S. &#8212; and others follow the British model, where anthropology really just means social anthropology. Perhaps the most &#8220;Canadian&#8221; feature are the many anthropology programs that coexist in dual sociology-anthropology departments, such as mine (in fact the only two universities in which I have worked in Canada had combined departments) &#8212; and the compromises that produces might spur the development of something distinctive. But not yet.</p>
<p>Thanks very much, the comments become a vital counterpart/counterweight to the main post, much appreciated.</p>
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