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	<title>Comments on: Counterinsurgency: It&#8217;s Bloody Horrible</title>
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	<description>Turning and turning in the widening gyre &#124; The falcon cannot hear the falconer &#124; Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold &#124; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world &#124; The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere &#124; The ceremony of innocence is drowned &#124; The best lack all conviction, while the worst &#124; Are full of passionate intensity. -- W.B. Yeats, The Second Coming</description>
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		<title>By: Maximilian Forte</title>
		<link>http://zeroanthropology.net/2010/07/19/counterinsurgency-its-bloody-horrible/#comment-12792</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maximilian Forte]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 03:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I contacted them to pass along the link to the video...hopefully they will see it and comment. I am now--very, very slowly, because it is done a little bit at a time when I have spare moments--working on a glowing tribute to the United States Air Force, a long piece by comparison, probably in excess of 20 mins.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I contacted them to pass along the link to the video&#8230;hopefully they will see it and comment. I am now&#8211;very, very slowly, because it is done a little bit at a time when I have spare moments&#8211;working on a glowing tribute to the United States Air Force, a long piece by comparison, probably in excess of 20 mins.</p>
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		<title>By: Jérémy</title>
		<link>http://zeroanthropology.net/2010/07/19/counterinsurgency-its-bloody-horrible/#comment-12781</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jérémy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 00:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent. I loved that part about puppies and kittens.

ROFLMAO !!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent. I loved that part about puppies and kittens.</p>
<p>ROFLMAO !!!</p>
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		<title>By: Maximilian Forte</title>
		<link>http://zeroanthropology.net/2010/07/19/counterinsurgency-its-bloody-horrible/#comment-12766</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maximilian Forte]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 18:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ah, read it and die! A post, almost three years old, from someone who knew Montgomery McFate as a child, and reviewed the very episode of the Charlie Rose Show that I spoof in my video:

http://thirdestatesundayreview.blogspot.com/2007/12/tv-charlie-rose-by-any-other-name-would.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, read it and die! A post, almost three years old, from someone who knew Montgomery McFate as a child, and reviewed the very episode of the Charlie Rose Show that I spoof in my video:</p>
<p><a href="http://thirdestatesundayreview.blogspot.com/2007/12/tv-charlie-rose-by-any-other-name-would.html" rel="nofollow">http://thirdestatesundayreview.blogspot.com/2007/12/tv-charlie-rose-by-any-other-name-would.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Maximilian Forte</title>
		<link>http://zeroanthropology.net/2010/07/19/counterinsurgency-its-bloody-horrible/#comment-12567</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maximilian Forte]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2010 07:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[First, I am not here to protect your freedom of speech, but mine. Second, your comment consisted of rampant idiocy, lies, slander, and baseless allegations. You wanted to make a splash with an infantile public performance, based on zero knowledge about this site. I can take criticism, when it is founded on something. Anyone can do like you, just make shit up and assert it as if it were fact. Try not to post like an ignoramus, and then you can participate. There are basic common sense, and common courtesy rules of posting, and you ignored all of them.

Anyone with a set of eyes can see all sorts of military people freely posting on this blog and engaging in intelligent debate. In fact, they have become a regular feature, while the critical anti-imperialist left for which this site intended to cater is almost invisible. The site gets more incoming links and trackbacks from conservative Republican sites, than from critical leftist ones--usually though, those Republicans in line with Pat Buchanan, Ron Paul, and Justin Raimondo, who are against empire. Therefore, to suggest that there is some totalitarian refusal to engage others who are not of the correct ideological background, is just pure shit.

Keep ignoring facts and spouting like a moron, it&#039;s your right...but you have no right to do it in my space. Got that? 

If you find this difficult to understand, please ask for an explanation from your legal guardian or therapist.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, I am not here to protect your freedom of speech, but mine. Second, your comment consisted of rampant idiocy, lies, slander, and baseless allegations. You wanted to make a splash with an infantile public performance, based on zero knowledge about this site. I can take criticism, when it is founded on something. Anyone can do like you, just make shit up and assert it as if it were fact. Try not to post like an ignoramus, and then you can participate. There are basic common sense, and common courtesy rules of posting, and you ignored all of them.</p>
<p>Anyone with a set of eyes can see all sorts of military people freely posting on this blog and engaging in intelligent debate. In fact, they have become a regular feature, while the critical anti-imperialist left for which this site intended to cater is almost invisible. The site gets more incoming links and trackbacks from conservative Republican sites, than from critical leftist ones&#8211;usually though, those Republicans in line with Pat Buchanan, Ron Paul, and Justin Raimondo, who are against empire. Therefore, to suggest that there is some totalitarian refusal to engage others who are not of the correct ideological background, is just pure shit.</p>
<p>Keep ignoring facts and spouting like a moron, it&#8217;s your right&#8230;but you have no right to do it in my space. Got that? </p>
<p>If you find this difficult to understand, please ask for an explanation from your legal guardian or therapist.</p>
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		<title>By: FeeFiFoFum</title>
		<link>http://zeroanthropology.net/2010/07/19/counterinsurgency-its-bloody-horrible/#comment-12566</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2010 05:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for not posting my comment.

Anyway, if you can indeed take it as well as you can give it, don&#039;t stifle free speech! Just saying...hypocrisy reeks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for not posting my comment.</p>
<p>Anyway, if you can indeed take it as well as you can give it, don&#8217;t stifle free speech! Just saying&#8230;hypocrisy reeks.</p>
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		<title>By: Maximilian Forte</title>
		<link>http://zeroanthropology.net/2010/07/19/counterinsurgency-its-bloody-horrible/#comment-12285</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maximilian Forte]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 18:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent suggestion John!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent suggestion John!</p>
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		<title>By: John Stanton</title>
		<link>http://zeroanthropology.net/2010/07/19/counterinsurgency-its-bloody-horrible/#comment-12282</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Stanton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 14:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Next film should be modeled on the movie District Nine....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Next film should be modeled on the movie District Nine&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: June Harding</title>
		<link>http://zeroanthropology.net/2010/07/19/counterinsurgency-its-bloody-horrible/#comment-12276</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[June Harding]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 01:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[my pleasure Max, and I would comment more regularly but I leave it to when I feel strongly about a debate]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my pleasure Max, and I would comment more regularly but I leave it to when I feel strongly about a debate</p>
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		<title>By: Maximilian Forte</title>
		<link>http://zeroanthropology.net/2010/07/19/counterinsurgency-its-bloody-horrible/#comment-12274</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maximilian Forte]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 23:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks very much for the latest comments, June, Brian, and Mike.

June, I wish I saw more of you on this blog, because what you said was stated beautifully, and I hope people pay attention to it and seriously reflect on it.

Brian! What a surprise to see you posting here, a very welcome one. You don&#039;t seem to have any trouble understanding the video, its nature, its purposes, its meanings. Some of the little tricks I will tell you about in person. 

Both Brian and Mike, on Marilyn Manson, I share some of the same likes, to a limited extent. The music I can take in small doses. The videos are much more interesting to me, and I wonder to what extent they are an expression of his own creative input and vision, or that of producers attached to commercial studios and record labels. Otherwise, he is a great performer, and a unique artist. I have seen a couple of interviews with him, including the one above, and I would agree that he has a fundamental anthropological sensitivity, far more than anything I hear in the droning of HTS fanatics and their sordid appeals to &quot;applied anthropology&quot; (a phrase they have managed to soil far beyond what any critic of applied anthropology could have done). Nothing at all came in from those people today--they are possibly tiring of being cooked alive each time they set foot here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks very much for the latest comments, June, Brian, and Mike.</p>
<p>June, I wish I saw more of you on this blog, because what you said was stated beautifully, and I hope people pay attention to it and seriously reflect on it.</p>
<p>Brian! What a surprise to see you posting here, a very welcome one. You don&#8217;t seem to have any trouble understanding the video, its nature, its purposes, its meanings. Some of the little tricks I will tell you about in person. </p>
<p>Both Brian and Mike, on Marilyn Manson, I share some of the same likes, to a limited extent. The music I can take in small doses. The videos are much more interesting to me, and I wonder to what extent they are an expression of his own creative input and vision, or that of producers attached to commercial studios and record labels. Otherwise, he is a great performer, and a unique artist. I have seen a couple of interviews with him, including the one above, and I would agree that he has a fundamental anthropological sensitivity, far more than anything I hear in the droning of HTS fanatics and their sordid appeals to &#8220;applied anthropology&#8221; (a phrase they have managed to soil far beyond what any critic of applied anthropology could have done). Nothing at all came in from those people today&#8211;they are possibly tiring of being cooked alive each time they set foot here.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Cavanaugh</title>
		<link>http://zeroanthropology.net/2010/07/19/counterinsurgency-its-bloody-horrible/#comment-12271</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Cavanaugh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 15:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That song is by Peter Frampton, and it&#039;s 1970s. Great song. I love Marilyn Manson too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That song is by Peter Frampton, and it&#8217;s 1970s. Great song. I love Marilyn Manson too.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Murphy</title>
		<link>http://zeroanthropology.net/2010/07/19/counterinsurgency-its-bloody-horrible/#comment-12270</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian Murphy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 15:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just a couple more, I forgot.

We&#039;re taught that the anthropological way of seeing things is to question the taken for granted, to see our own culture through alien eyes and not take it as natural. I thought this was a great example of that. It&#039;s not easy to insert distance between us and us. Horror and comedy are sure fire tricks for turning everything upside down. I mean I REALLY like this.

Forgot to ask also about who sings that song at the very end? Is it a 60s band? Great line. You&#039;ve got Marilyn Manson up there too and I want to know what you think about this if you saw it. It&#039;s Manon on Fox News, listen to what he says at about 0:47. Is he doing anthropology?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6n5Oi4714o]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a couple more, I forgot.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re taught that the anthropological way of seeing things is to question the taken for granted, to see our own culture through alien eyes and not take it as natural. I thought this was a great example of that. It&#8217;s not easy to insert distance between us and us. Horror and comedy are sure fire tricks for turning everything upside down. I mean I REALLY like this.</p>
<p>Forgot to ask also about who sings that song at the very end? Is it a 60s band? Great line. You&#8217;ve got Marilyn Manson up there too and I want to know what you think about this if you saw it. It&#8217;s Manon on Fox News, listen to what he says at about 0:47. Is he doing anthropology?</p>
<p><span style="text-align:center; display: block;"><a href="http://zeroanthropology.net/2010/07/19/counterinsurgency-its-bloody-horrible/"><img src="http://img.youtube.com/vi/G6n5Oi4714o/2.jpg" alt="" /></a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Brian Murphy</title>
		<link>http://zeroanthropology.net/2010/07/19/counterinsurgency-its-bloody-horrible/#comment-12269</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian Murphy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 15:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Max!

DRACULA PETRAEUS
CHARLIE ROSE LOSES HIS HEAD
CHARLIE ROSE, GARGOYLE OF WAR
DEMON SARAH
NOT OCCUPATION (BODY ON THE FLOOR)
CREEPY JULIE ANDREWS, EERILY RELEVANT LYRICS
CROWD REVOLTS

It&#039;s like a series of newspaper editorial cartoons that made me laugh so hard in some cases that I didn&#039;t get what was said until I rewound. I was laughing at Sarah Jigsaw Sewall way past when she stopped speaking. It&#039;s only by reading some of the comments here that I see how much I missed. I also watched the original. It aint any less scary or funny!!! Rose is off the rails with this one.

I wanted to ask where you got the part of McFate guffawing? I can&#039;t see it or hear it in the original. Thanks Max, see you soon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Max!</p>
<p>DRACULA PETRAEUS<br />
CHARLIE ROSE LOSES HIS HEAD<br />
CHARLIE ROSE, GARGOYLE OF WAR<br />
DEMON SARAH<br />
NOT OCCUPATION (BODY ON THE FLOOR)<br />
CREEPY JULIE ANDREWS, EERILY RELEVANT LYRICS<br />
CROWD REVOLTS</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like a series of newspaper editorial cartoons that made me laugh so hard in some cases that I didn&#8217;t get what was said until I rewound. I was laughing at Sarah Jigsaw Sewall way past when she stopped speaking. It&#8217;s only by reading some of the comments here that I see how much I missed. I also watched the original. It aint any less scary or funny!!! Rose is off the rails with this one.</p>
<p>I wanted to ask where you got the part of McFate guffawing? I can&#8217;t see it or hear it in the original. Thanks Max, see you soon.</p>
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		<title>By: June Harding</title>
		<link>http://zeroanthropology.net/2010/07/19/counterinsurgency-its-bloody-horrible/#comment-12268</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[June Harding]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 14:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very thought provoking Max. It looks like the way their minds of work is that if you don&#039;t support war - cheer hooray for COIN - worship militarists - repeat military doctrine - then you should be the one to apologize. If they can&#039;t take themselves seriously, why should they expect anyone else to? I hope they&#039;re not serious about this because the other explanation is that they&#039;re collectively deluded and clinically insane. Your value system has to be pretty screwed up if you think the anti-war people are the cause of our problems. Show me an anti-war Dick Cheney, then we&#039;ll talk. Anthropologists are supposed to respect the people they study, not plot new ways of dominating or killing them. Does this really need to be explained over and over and over again?

Secondly, the tactics. Don&#039;t criticize, or I&#039;ll join them just to spite you for your (IMHO great, excellent, talented) video. As you said to Ryan, they want respectful silence at the least while they commit their dirty deeds - and what Jon Price wrote in that article you just posted shows they have a heap of dirt to cover up. The other tactic, I&#039;m really with you, but your video hurts our opponents so much that I may have to disown you (posted: anonymously). Nope, doesn&#039;t sound like Hugh Gusterson or David Price to me, and the Network of Concerned Anthros loves this blog. Pretty much the same thing again: retreat. I for one am glad you&#039;re not stopping. Let the resistance continue. We&#039;re talking about peace here, not making kissy faces with mercenaries and opportunistic halfwits.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very thought provoking Max. It looks like the way their minds of work is that if you don&#8217;t support war &#8211; cheer hooray for COIN &#8211; worship militarists &#8211; repeat military doctrine &#8211; then you should be the one to apologize. If they can&#8217;t take themselves seriously, why should they expect anyone else to? I hope they&#8217;re not serious about this because the other explanation is that they&#8217;re collectively deluded and clinically insane. Your value system has to be pretty screwed up if you think the anti-war people are the cause of our problems. Show me an anti-war Dick Cheney, then we&#8217;ll talk. Anthropologists are supposed to respect the people they study, not plot new ways of dominating or killing them. Does this really need to be explained over and over and over again?</p>
<p>Secondly, the tactics. Don&#8217;t criticize, or I&#8217;ll join them just to spite you for your (IMHO great, excellent, talented) video. As you said to Ryan, they want respectful silence at the least while they commit their dirty deeds &#8211; and what Jon Price wrote in that article you just posted shows they have a heap of dirt to cover up. The other tactic, I&#8217;m really with you, but your video hurts our opponents so much that I may have to disown you (posted: anonymously). Nope, doesn&#8217;t sound like Hugh Gusterson or David Price to me, and the Network of Concerned Anthros loves this blog. Pretty much the same thing again: retreat. I for one am glad you&#8217;re not stopping. Let the resistance continue. We&#8217;re talking about peace here, not making kissy faces with mercenaries and opportunistic halfwits.</p>
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		<title>By: Maximilian Forte</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maximilian Forte]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 04:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks everyone, I don&#039;t think I have laughed this much here in a while. There is one comment that came in, that doesn&#039;t meet even the lowest of standards to qualify for publication here, but there were two lines in it that I have to share. The first was that this anonymous person--as usual, unlike the critics who are up front about who we are and who own our comments--came here posing as someone who agrees with &quot;the hard analysis of HTS and COIN.&quot; The HARD analysis! We&#039;ve gone from Charlie Rose to...Chris Matthews! Clearly, this one wears a jock strap on his head. He later asserts that I spend my time &quot;making videos of gratuitous violence applied to those involved in HTS&quot;. LOL! There is not even one such video here, let alone more than one. 

Do me a favour: take the underwear off of your head, put down the beer and pills, and watch the video. Then you can criticize it. We can take it, and we can give it back too. Ah, but that&#039;s the problem, isn&#039;t it ;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks everyone, I don&#8217;t think I have laughed this much here in a while. There is one comment that came in, that doesn&#8217;t meet even the lowest of standards to qualify for publication here, but there were two lines in it that I have to share. The first was that this anonymous person&#8211;as usual, unlike the critics who are up front about who we are and who own our comments&#8211;came here posing as someone who agrees with &#8220;the hard analysis of HTS and COIN.&#8221; The HARD analysis! We&#8217;ve gone from Charlie Rose to&#8230;Chris Matthews! Clearly, this one wears a jock strap on his head. He later asserts that I spend my time &#8220;making videos of gratuitous violence applied to those involved in HTS&#8221;. LOL! There is not even one such video here, let alone more than one. </p>
<p>Do me a favour: take the underwear off of your head, put down the beer and pills, and watch the video. Then you can criticize it. We can take it, and we can give it back too. Ah, but that&#8217;s the problem, isn&#8217;t it ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Maximilian Forte</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maximilian Forte]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 04:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I missed your pun, about the dead end (you&#039;re on a roll). I&#039;ll consider it ;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I missed your pun, about the dead end (you&#8217;re on a roll). I&#8217;ll consider it ;-)</p>
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